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Title: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 05, 2008, 09:26:35 AM
OK, so I am watching TV last night with my audio receiver. I notice that there's some distortion coming through the speakers, like there is a loose connection or something. Lots of crackling, intermittent sound loss, almost like the speaker is blown, but it's not.

So I take apart the HT stand (I f-cking hate doing this) and get behind my TV and check the connections. Now, I've ghetto rigged some wire connections because speaker wire wasn't long enough from where it comes out of the wall, so I've spliced some wires together and wrapped tape around the copper wire so they don't touch each other. I reconnect some splices, make sure everything looks good, and I've still go the same problem. Crackling, sound loss, weak signals, etc...

So I'm just messing around with stuff, moving the speaker wire around as I have my audio receiver test signal on. The problem seems connected to the speaker wire moving so I'm determined it's the ghetto-rigged connections. Anyway, it eventually goes away, but just from moving the speaker wires around. So I put together my HT stand, everything seems OK now.

But I am worried that the problem will start again. I think what I need to do is just start over from scratch. Take out all my components, dust them, clean them, etc.... buy new speaker wire and replace all the old crap that I've had for years, do the splices the best I can, and hope that that fixes things. I hope to god it's not the audio receiver starting to go up... but I don't think it is because this is only happening in certain speakers -- and it's not the speakers themselves. So it's gotta be the connections.

Anyone know what it could be? And is there something you can buy to splice wires together? Like how you splice electric wires together with this twist caps?

I really think it's my ghetto rigged connections. Any help would be appreciated.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Feb 05, 2008, 10:40:56 AM
Start with replacing the speaker wire, I wouldn't bother with twist caps.  It's probably the most inexpensive part and likely the source of the problem based on what you've said.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 05, 2008, 05:49:02 PM
I don't understand why you need to have splices in your wires. Run new wire directly from your receiver to your speakers and you'll never have to worry again.

Ghetto in = Ghetto out. Don't be a cheap bastard! ;)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Feb 05, 2008, 11:25:44 PM
Uh yeah, what I said...  ;)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 06, 2008, 09:39:48 AM
I don't understand why you need to have splices in your wires. Run new wire directly from your receiver to your speakers and you'll never have to worry again.

Ghetto in = Ghetto out. Don't be a cheap bastard! ;)

That was the idea when we originally finished off the basement. I ran all my speaker wire behind the walls to hide them. But when we installed the drywall and the trim, the wires wouldn't move from their openings in the wall so I couldn't pull enough out to fit into the receiver/speakers... so splicing was necessary.

Is there a better way to splice the wires? I haven't had a problem in 10 years of splicing wires together until now. Is there such a think as twist caps for speaker wire splices?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 06, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
Yeah, I need to get some of these....

(http://www.productdose.com/phpwiki/uploads/EricMeeks/10acfb1d417f5a1fecb9c218e3c2530d_pop.jpg)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Feb 06, 2008, 12:49:36 PM
They're called Marrettes up here.  If you have to use them, I guess they'll work, but definitely not ideal.

If you're having audio problems, you may want to consider rewiring.  I know I would.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 06, 2008, 01:20:12 PM
They're called Marrettes up here.  If you have to use them, I guess they'll work, but definitely not ideal.

If you're having audio problems, you may want to consider rewiring.  I know I would.

Here's the thing... I've got speaker wire run through the walls. The points where they come out of the walls is the problem. There is not enough to reach the speakers/receiver, so splicing is necessary. I am going to replace all the spliced speaker wire and use the wire nuts for connections. It's gotta beat electrical tape. Plus I am going to dust off everything and clean it up the best I can. Right now the back of my TV while all hidden, is a clusterfuck of wires.

Hopefully that will help.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Feb 06, 2008, 03:05:23 PM
I knew you had the wires hidden in the walls, I hope this quick fix works out for you.  If there's anyway to hide them under the carpet, I'd do that if possible, rather than through the wall.

We're ghetto at our house.  The wire to the rears are fixed to the carpet with packing tape.  I just couldn't be bothered.  :)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 06, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
I must say that even though I splice, and splice often, the sound has never suffered for it as far as I can tell... of course, until recently.



Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 06, 2008, 06:27:12 PM
I must say that even though I splice, and splice often, the sound has never suffered for it as far as I can tell... of course, until recently.



Spend more than $4000 on speakers and you'll know the difference. ;)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 07, 2008, 08:41:40 AM
I've probably got about $1500 wrapped up in speakers... sounds fine to me.

As for my problems, I think I am going to wait, and the next time it starts acting up I will commit a day to cleaning up my system, re-splicing wires, etc... I just don't want to deal with it until I am forced to.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 08, 2008, 05:42:41 PM
I've probably got about $1500 wrapped up in speakers...

Cool, that's what my sub cost!  :D


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 08, 2008, 09:37:55 PM
Go lay a brick, fucker.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 08, 2008, 11:38:20 PM
Go lay a brick, fucker.

 You know I still love you.  :P



Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 03, 2008, 12:17:52 AM
SO I am watching Stargate: Continuum on Blu Ray (PS3), and I just noticed that the sound is out of sync. Just by a little bit, but enough to distract me. AFAIK, neither the PS3 or my TV have options to adjust audio delay to correct it. I am thinking maybe it's the PS3 downgrading the High Falutin' audio to something the TV can actually manage.

What are my options?

Also,. is it me, or can you not power down a PS3 in the middle of a BD and then turn it back on later and resume said BD? That's a pretty epic fail, if you ask me. (I am considering a set-top player at this point)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 03, 2008, 06:14:46 AM
I always say, buy the equipment that you need for it's intended primary use. The PS3 is a GAMING CONSOLE. It just so happens that it can read blyu-ray discs, there's your sign.

Let me be the first to say, "I told you so."


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Kedrix on Oct 03, 2008, 09:24:10 AM
I actually agree with Freak, plenty of people told me before I bought my upconvert dvd player to just play dvds on my 360 or ps2, but I went ahead and got the dvd player anyway and have been very happy with that purchase.  I'm running into the same quandry with the ps3 and blu-ray now and haven't made a choice either way.  More than likely though, I will just put off the ps3 (since I'm more than happy with the 360) and buy a stand-alone blu-ray and it will replace my upconvert dvd player. Mebee by the christmas, we'll see. 


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Oct 03, 2008, 11:26:01 AM
Jeez you guys...the PS3 isn't JUST a gaming console.  It's also a well respected BD player.

Becks:  Head into the settings menu, and there should be a menu for BD AUDIO.  I'm not in front of my console at the moment, but a quick search should find you instructions on setting up the audio outputs for your particular rig.

No need for "I told you so", just a simple setup (one you usually have to do with ANY component you add to your HT) should fix the problem.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 03, 2008, 03:53:54 PM
The delays might have been my TV. It seemed to stop doing it. I dunno, I think I noticed that with other sources, too. I turned off all of the stupid (and they are stupid, and ruin the image) video processing 'features' on the TV, but the audio seems to go slightly out of sync every now and then. I guess it's not a big deal, since just rewinding seems to fix it.

Right now what I am most concerned with is the resume feature. I heard that they were supposed to add it to an update back in March, so I would assume this PS3 has it, but maybe not. Can anybody fill me in (not in a sexual way)? Has anybody else been able to power off their PS3s and then resume a BD title when they power the unit back on?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 03, 2008, 05:38:50 PM
Jeez you guys...the PS3 isn't JUST a gaming console.  It's also a well respected BD player.

We're not saying it's bad... we're just saying you don't buy a Vespa to do the work of a Ducati. What I mean is, "one size fits all" and "all in one" seldom do the job %100, there is usually a trade-off. Expecting a PS3 to deliver the perfect Blu-ray experience just ain't gonna happen, it's not designed for that. It's a console that happens to have a Blu-ray drive. Buying it to JUST watch movies is a mistake.

As I said in the Blu-ray forum, the PS3 is an amazing console, it's just too bad nobody is making good games for it.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 03, 2008, 06:55:00 PM
What you are saying makes sense, Freak. I mean the PS2's DVD player was really pretty lousy...

I will have to see what models of set-top BD players they have at Wal-Mart and look up reviews.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Oct 04, 2008, 09:28:24 AM
Ok, I'm with you buddy. :)

Just sounded rather harsh with the "I told you so".

As for the resume function, I haven't been able to get it to work properly either. I have no advice on that one. If you figure it out let me know.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 07, 2008, 05:39:31 PM
Hmm, never read that post. Stupid 'view unread messages' thing is glitchy sometimes.

I am now about 90% sure I will be buying a PS3. Games, BDs, and a media center (if I can figure out how to fix the sync with this mkv2ps3 program). The Blu-ray player leaves a lot to be desired, but it'll do for now until I buy a real unit sometime...maybe in a few months, maybe black friday. We'll see.

EDIT: Oh, and the PS3's controller uses WiFi/Bluetooth or whatever, so you don't have to point the fucker at the device. I was controlling Iron Man from my bathroom. A minor, but notable perk. IR remotes should be a thing of the past by now!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Oct 08, 2008, 07:44:10 AM
I'm still dealing with some static/weak signal problems coming from my front right speaker. I think that channel in my receiver is busted. I am probably going to wait until Christmas to get a new one, but until then I am just dealing with it. Some times it works fine, sometimes it doesn't.

Other than that, I am in no hurry to upgrade my other, now somewhat outdated equipment. I still enjoy watching regular DVD's and the occasional HD movie on my DVR.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 09, 2008, 11:45:32 PM
Does anybody have one of those newfangled 120Hz TVs? I was just reading that 120Hz means a framerate thing, something closer to 24p, since 120 is divisible by 24 or whatever.

Kind of sounds like a load of bull to me, though. You get a TV that does 3:2 pulldown or whatever and it looks fine...


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 10, 2008, 06:23:24 AM
Does anybody have one of those newfangled 120Hz TVs? I was just reading that 120Hz means a framerate thing, something closer to 24p, since 120 is divisible by 24 or whatever.

Framerate and refresh or signal rate are kind of the same, but different. Depends on the source.

Frames = films

Hz = tv/video/digital video

120hz is meant to smooth out a shitty signal, or lower res signal like current HD TV content. Most modern sets like my own convert the 60i signal from the cable box to a 120hz picture, to cut down on artifacting and jaggies in broadcast tv. It works, most of the time. It's not a total cure, but it makes the biggest difference with sports and auto racing.

Blu-ray on the other hand is a pure signal. There is no need to do any of the upconverting or signal/Hz boosting for a source that is purely what most modern monitors were made for, 1920x1080p@24. Unless the movie was filmed using video capture or the master was on video in which case the Blu-ray player would output a 1920x1080p@60 if thats the way the disc was manufactured.

Make sense?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Oct 10, 2008, 11:41:01 AM
Becks, RE:"resume function" on the PS3:

I popped in the Blade Runner BD to show someone, and the film resumed from where I last left it.  I think you have to press "Stop" before quitting the playback to bookmark the position.  Give it a try and let me know if it works for you.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 10, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
It sure doesn't. Tried it with both Stargate: Continuum and Forgetting Sarah Marshall, by stopping, then trying to go back to the disc, stopping, turning the unit off and back on, and stopping, ejecting the disc, and putting it back in. Always wound back up at the FBI screens.

It is the 60GB model, with the emotion chip. That shouldn't matter, though should it? (when I buy my own, it'll be the 80gb model)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Oct 11, 2008, 04:00:38 PM
It sure doesn't. Tried it with both Stargate: Continuum and Forgetting Sarah Marshall, by stopping, then trying to go back to the disc, stopping, turning the unit off and back on, and stopping, ejecting the disc, and putting it back in. Always wound back up at the FBI screens.

It is the 60GB model, with the emotion chip. That shouldn't matter, though should it? (when I buy my own, it'll be the 80gb model)

Speaking of Forgetting Sarah Marshall....anyone else see it and think it wasn't very good.  It had a few jokes here and there that made me laugh pretty good, but other than that, it wasn't as good as a lot of reviews made it out to be, IMO.  It was a lot more "girly" than I anticipated, for lack of a better term.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 11, 2008, 08:41:04 PM
Finally bought my own PS3 today. My unit doesn't have the memory card slots, only two USB ports, a bigger HDD, no emotion chip (absolutely zero PS2 game support, I didn't know that, but it's fine for now), and a Dual Shock 3 controller.  I gotta get a BD remote and maybe a USB keyboard sometime. Can you use a normal USB keyboard, or did Sony smoke a cock again and not let you use one? Also, can you charge the DS3 controller using a normal USB port on a computer? I hate how the PS3 needs to be powered on to charge the remote, so you need to leave it on idling to charge it. I guess when I get that remote it won't matter, though.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Oct 13, 2008, 02:22:50 AM
Any USB keyboard will work, and don't bother with the remote.  Any PS3 controller will do the trick just fine.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 13, 2008, 02:44:56 AM
Cool, I might have to get a USB keyboard someday, since typing does sometimes come up and it's a huge PITA to use a controller to type.

Got the BD remote. It's not too bad, and it will cut down on wear and tear on my DS3 controller. Kind of a pity some buttons were left out, like the instant reply one (real handy button that I use a lot on my Panasonic upscaler), but oh well.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 14, 2008, 11:46:33 PM
OK, talk to me about optical audio switches. Both the PS3 and DVD player only have optical audio, and my receiver only has one optical input. Amazon has three-port switches, but I know jack and shit about this stuff.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 15, 2008, 12:05:39 AM
OK, talk to me about optical audio switches. Both the PS3 and DVD player only have optical audio, and my receiver only has one optical input. Amazon has three-port switches, but I know jack and shit about this stuff.

Yeah, switches... oh the good'ol days. Dude, this is why you wait and save and then get everything HDMI capable... one cable, no mess, no fuss.  ;)

Anyways, optical switches have been around long enough that the technology is bulletproof. You can spend $10 or you can spend $200... both will do the same, with more or less legwork from you. Most switches under $30 require you to manualy change/switch the source and some over $75 -100 come with a remote.

Like I said, they all do the same thing, all that you need to decide is your budget and if you want to get off the couch to switch signals.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: teedub on Oct 15, 2008, 10:14:52 AM
Oh, and as for charging the DS3 controller, I use the same USB extenders that connect my wired USB keyboard to the PS3.  If it needs a charge, I just swap the keyboard out and plug in the DS3.

The PS3 can have HDMI audio out, but I assume that it's the receiver that's causing the bump in that road.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Oct 15, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
Speaking of the optical.....Freak, on the back of the Samsungs, is there an optical out?
I have a 360, and will probably get a Blu-Ray player right around the same time.  I have the Pioneer 360 branded HTIB and don't want to upgrade for a little bit after getting the TV.  This HTIB unfortunately only has one optical in.  So could I plug the 360 and Blu-Ray into the TV through HDMI, and then run an optical from the TV to the reciever to have 5.1 audio for both?
In that case, would that also give me sound through my speakers when watching normal TV?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 15, 2008, 04:25:16 PM
Speaking of the optical.....Freak, on the back of the Samsungs, is there an optical out?
I have a 360, and will probably get a Blu-Ray player right around the same time.  I have the Pioneer 360 branded HTIB and don't want to upgrade for a little bit after getting the TV.  This HTIB unfortunately only has one optical in.  So could I plug the 360 and Blu-Ray into the TV through HDMI, and then run an optical from the TV to the reciever to have 5.1 audio for both?
In that case, would that also give me sound through my speakers when watching normal TV?

Yes, the Samsung has Optical Out. From what I can gather from the manual, you can input from HDMI, but depending on the source, output may be only 2 channel. It will work though.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 15, 2008, 04:43:34 PM
Oh, and as for charging the DS3 controller, I use the same USB extenders that connect my wired USB keyboard to the PS3.  If it needs a charge, I just swap the keyboard out and plug in the DS3.

The PS3 can have HDMI audio out, but I assume that it's the receiver that's causing the bump in that road.

Yeah, it is. I don't want to upgrade my receiver. I don't mind having to get up and switch something to go from PS3 surround to DVD surround. Just gotta find a switch that works.

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Explorer-Toslink-Selector-Switch/dp/B0002OF2FC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1224110253&sr=8-1

This looks OK. I don't know if there is anywhere else to buy...maybe somewhere with free shipping. Or just a better product. Doesn't need to be fancy, it just needs to actually work.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Oct 15, 2008, 05:31:04 PM
Yes, the Samsung has Optical Out. From what I can gather from the manual, you can input from HDMI, but depending on the source, output may be only 2 channel. It will work though.

Ok so.....depending on the source?  That means I should get 5.1 out of the 360 and BR player, but only stereo out of regular television?  Unless it was an HD broadcast.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 16, 2008, 03:49:43 PM
Yes, the Samsung has Optical Out. From what I can gather from the manual, you can input from HDMI, but depending on the source, output may be only 2 channel. It will work though.

Ok so.....depending on the source?  That means I should get 5.1 out of the 360 and BR player, but only stereo out of regular television?  Unless it was an HD broadcast.

Honestly, the manual was vague at best, I don't have a clue since I only use HDMI.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Oct 16, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
It's not a deal breaker anyway, I'm getting the set regardless on December 31st, so I'll find out when I get it.  Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 17, 2008, 06:30:48 AM
It's not a deal breaker anyway, I'm getting the set regardless on December 31st, so I'll find out when I get it.  Thanks for the help.

I didn't think it would be a deal breaker... nobody in their right mind would expect a TV to solve all their audio switching needs. You are gonna be so freakin happy.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Oct 17, 2008, 05:43:07 PM
Yea, I'm so incredibly pumped.  I may be able to swing it earlier, but we'll see considering I got some other expense I want to pay off.
My company got bought out by another, and we are switching PTO plans, so on December 31st we are getting a check paying us out all our current PTO time, so we can start under their plan at the start of the new year.  I haven't used any of my vacation just so I can get a big ol check (3 weeks!) that day just for the TV.
I'm probably going to be ordering it from amazon, so when I find out what day they will be shipping it to me, I'm totally requesting that day off and just spend it with my new friend.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 18, 2008, 08:20:45 AM
NICE!! That's the way to do it, all romantic and shit! lol


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Oct 20, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
OK, so the static/distortion in my front right speaker seems to go away once the receiver has been on for 30-60 mins. In other words, once it warms up. Any ideas?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Oct 20, 2008, 04:10:14 PM
OK, so the static/distortion in my front right speaker seems to go away once the receiver has been on for 30-60 mins. In other words, once it warms up. Any ideas?

I think you were on the right track with the faulty part in the receiver. I know you are kind of out in the woods, but is there a mom&pop electronics repair place nearby? Usually stuff like that is easily fixed. Mind you, receivers are getting really cheap so you already are probably toying with the idea of getting a new one.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Oct 21, 2008, 07:38:13 AM
Yeah, I am entertaining the idea of just replacing it, but... I do still think it works fine for what I have when it does work. I'll think on it for a while longer and maybe start looking for a ma & pa shop in the meantime.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Oct 21, 2008, 08:05:17 AM
Sounds like something that would require soldering and stuff, you'd probably be lucky to get away with paying like 100 bucks. That's how it is in the computer repair biz, at least. Maybe you can find a place that doesn't charge to assessment and estimate, though. Then what do you got to lose?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Nov 06, 2008, 02:33:47 PM
I am seeing a lot of insane flashing (almost like shimmering, maybe) on stuff on my TV when it's HD. I turned the sharpness down, and it dissipates, but not all the way. I can turn the sharpness all the way down, and it's still there. What the hell is this shit, and is there any way to get rid of it, or is it just a symptom of a crappy TV?

Also, I have noticed on Blu-ray discs that there seems to be some kind of stuttering going on. When there is a slow camera pan or something, you can see it being all jerky.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Nov 07, 2008, 01:09:28 PM
If I recall correctly, your sharpness should be at 0. It shouldn't factor into HD and progressive scan video.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Nov 07, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
If I recall correctly, your sharpness should be at 0. It shouldn't factor into HD and progressive scan video.

Correct... I don't understand why they even bother having "sharpness" as an option anymore. At 1080p you see no huge difference when you adjust the sharpness, if any at all.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Nov 07, 2008, 10:19:27 PM
On my TV, turning the sharpness up and down, even on 1080p, actually changes the sharpness...same with my friend's TV.

You turn the sharpness up, the over-all crispness gets better, but the insane flashing gets worse. Turn it down, the flashing dissipates, but then everything gets all blurry.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Nov 08, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
Maybe sharpness still plays a factor with smaller monitors. I just don't see the need for it with such high resolutions.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Nov 11, 2008, 10:31:09 AM
It's only blurry because of the comparison to the sharpness being turned up.  When I used an A/V demo disc, it told me to turn down the sharpness and I did it. I remember seeing some blurriness when sharpness was down to zero, but it's the natural picture. And after a while your eye will get used to it.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Nov 11, 2008, 06:39:39 PM
Finally, an actual answer. I think I have arrived at this conclusion before, but both forgot and said "Well damn it, I want it to be sharper than real life!". I dunno, maybe I will play with it some more.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Dec 09, 2008, 03:07:20 PM
OK, even with the sharpness turned down to 0 (which makes menus and stuff really blurry) the insane flashing is still going on. Evident even more with The Dark Knight BD. :(


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Dec 09, 2008, 04:03:39 PM
OK, even with the sharpness turned down to 0 (which makes menus and stuff really blurry) the insane flashing is still going on. Evident even more with The Dark Knight BD. :(

I'm starting to think you have a defective TV.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Dec 09, 2008, 04:14:02 PM
Well, the receipt is dated 10/01, so I think I can still return it. I'd have to look into it. If I do, it'll be a big pain in the ass.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Dec 09, 2008, 05:35:43 PM
A big pain in the ass now, or a big pain in the ass everytime you watch your defective TV.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 19, 2009, 09:32:23 AM
OK, I have gotten it down a science. I turn my receiver on, give it about 20 mins to warm up, give it a light tap, and the static in the right-front speaker goes away and doesn't come back until I turn the receiver off and on again after a long period of time. So: I either need to buy a new recevier, or never turn the receiver off. :D

I really need to quit being a lazy ass and buy a new damn receiver. I've already been given the go-ahead by Mrs. Mirage.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 19, 2009, 12:27:33 PM
I've already been given the go-ahead by Mrs. Mirage.

 :o

Then WTF are you waiting for?!?!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 19, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Moving my entertainment stands and getting behind the TV is worse than the machine city in The Matrix Trilogy. I just have to devote a day to move all the crap and move stuff around and that means calling a friend for help.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 19, 2009, 06:25:42 PM
Yikes. That's why I have my stand about 2ish feet away from the wall. It also helps that it swivels. Somewhat easy access, which comes in handy.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Feb 19, 2009, 08:57:43 PM
I've already been given the go-ahead by Mrs. Mirage.

 :o

Then WTF are you waiting for?!?!

This.

C'mon Mirage, this is not the time to be lazy....this is Entertainment Center Time!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 20, 2009, 08:21:13 AM
Once the wife signs off, it's go time baby!!! All the wires in NASA wouldn't stop me from a life changing upgrade like that!!!

I would think the only issue would be what receiver to buy... that's the only thing Mirage should be focused on now.

What's the budget, I and my forum brothers would like to help with the selection process!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 20, 2009, 10:49:24 AM
Looking to spend hopefully no more than $400 for a 7.1 unit.

A friend referred me to vanns.com, and I've been checking out several Denon and Oynko models there for under $400.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 20, 2009, 04:55:08 PM
Pfff, wires. You've all seen my shit. Wires everywhere. I don't give a fuck. You should be looking at the wires, you should be looking at the screen. My room is always a massive mess. Note the empty ginger ale two-ey on the floor in my recent pic. None of that stuff is even visible if you focus on your display instead. :p


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 20, 2009, 07:50:42 PM
Looking to spend hopefully no more than $400 for a 7.1 unit.

A friend referred me to vanns.com, and I've been checking out several Denon and Oynko models there for under $400.


I've heard good things about the Onkyo TX-SR606 and the Yamaha RX-V663.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 23, 2009, 08:40:12 AM
And now my receiver seems to be working fine again... at least for the weekend.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 23, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
And now my receiver seems to be working fine again... at least for the weekend.

Stop it... you are just looking for excuses NOT to get the new receiver now.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 25, 2009, 01:51:12 AM
Motherfucker.

My fucking DVR from the cable company (8300HDC) did an update tonight, and now it is a piece of shit. It used to lock in at 1080i, didn't matter if the channel was 480i, 720p or 1080i, it would be fixed at 1080i and upscale lower resolutions. Now it's being a picky piece of shit. SD channels are being output in 480p, some HD channels are being output in 720p, others in 1080i. The problem here is that my TV does NOT like 480p or 720p. It won't let you use the 'Unscaled' picture format (unscaled=-no overscan) in those modes. The DVR is also a bit laggier. When you hit the 'Aspect' button (to zoom in and window-boxed 16x9 SD shit) it switches over to 1080i...which causes the display to completely go out for half a second. Used to be seamless because the res was locked in at 1080i. Also, the default for 480p and 720p on my TV is 'Widescreen' mode (16x9 stretch), so when I am channel surfing, all the 4x3 shit is in stretch-o-vision. This is a total bullshit move on TWC's behalf. I am not happy about it.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 25, 2009, 08:19:18 AM
You're using cable... that's your first problem.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 25, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
Motherfucker.

My fucking DVR from the cable company (8300HDC) did an update tonight, and now it is a piece of shit. It used to lock in at 1080i, didn't matter if the channel was 480i, 720p or 1080i, it would be fixed at 1080i and upscale lower resolutions. Now it's being a picky piece of shit. SD channels are being output in 480p, some HD channels are being output in 720p, others in 1080i. The problem here is that my TV does NOT like 480p or 720p. It won't let you use the 'Unscaled' picture format (unscaled=-no overscan) in those modes. The DVR is also a bit laggier. When you hit the 'Aspect' button (to zoom in and window-boxed 16x9 SD shit) it switches over to 1080i...which causes the display to completely go out for half a second. Used to be seamless because the res was locked in at 1080i. Also, the default for 480p and 720p on my TV is 'Widescreen' mode (16x9 stretch), so when I am channel surfing, all the 4x3 shit is in stretch-o-vision. This is a total bullshit move on TWC's behalf. I am not happy about it.

Go to the AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/) and find a thread about your DVR. Look up the service menu instructions and there is probably a setting to lock the res at 1080i. The update surely would have reset that setting so all is not lost, Beck. I know my Pace HD PVR is very twitchy and I've had to reset my settings a few times in the service menu.



Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 25, 2009, 05:18:25 PM
Good suggestion, but from what I can tell...these boxes are password protected, and TWC doesn't give out the passwords.

I found some info, and a manual for the box...it tells me how to adjust the settings for Component, but not HDMI. I ran through the resolution settings three times (selecting ONLY 1080i) before I noticed that it said those setting are only for component. Can't really use component, though since when I first got the box and tried to use it...the image was totally warped over component, hence why I switched to HDMI.

You'd think there would be menus for this stuff. I mean you can't hurt anything choosing different resolutions and geometries, so why not give us more advanced users the options to tweak the blasted thing the way we want?

I am trying customer support chat. Hah...yyyyeah, this'll work ::)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 26, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
Cable boxes and their displays are so crappily done, it's a wonder if you'd even be able to fix it through that.

You really should have gone with a dish.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Feb 26, 2009, 11:20:35 AM
Cable boxes and their displays are so crappily done, it's a wonder if you'd even be able to fix it through that.

You really should have gone with a dish.

Everything has it's pros and cons. I think cable is more reliable and pound for pound a better value. I get phone, 15mb internet and HD cable for $140... now that's a good deal.

With the dish, you can get a cheater, you can sometimes get more content and so on... it's just not my cup of tea and if purchased legit, is WAY more expensive.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Mar 09, 2009, 08:32:21 PM
15MB internet.....shit!
How fast is that baby?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Mar 10, 2009, 12:01:27 AM
15MB internet.....shit!
How fast is that baby?

15Mb/megabit is about 2MB/megabytes per second or 2048kb per second.

EDIT: My math was wrong


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Cron on Mar 10, 2009, 01:56:07 AM
Ok, thats my reading comprehension skills failing me again.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Mar 10, 2009, 07:37:58 AM
Cable boxes and their displays are so crappily done, it's a wonder if you'd even be able to fix it through that.

You really should have gone with a dish.

Everything has it's pros and cons. I think cable is more reliable and pound for pound a better value. I get phone, 15mb internet and HD cable for $140... now that's a good deal.

With the dish, you can get a cheater, you can sometimes get more content and so on... it's just not my cup of tea and if purchased legit, is WAY more expensive.

Maybe Canadian cable. American cable, namely Comcast, is shit.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Mar 10, 2009, 11:14:16 AM
Cable boxes and their displays are so crappily done, it's a wonder if you'd even be able to fix it through that.

You really should have gone with a dish.

Everything has it's pros and cons. I think cable is more reliable and pound for pound a better value. I get phone, 15mb internet and HD cable for $140... now that's a good deal.

With the dish, you can get a cheater, you can sometimes get more content and so on... it's just not my cup of tea and if purchased legit, is WAY more expensive.

Maybe Canadian cable. American cable, namely Comcast, is shit.

I've heard that your cable down there is shit and that you pay big dollars for that shit to boot. Sucks to be you.  ;D ;)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Mar 11, 2009, 07:28:45 AM
That's why I have satellite TV.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Mar 15, 2009, 05:29:02 PM
That's why I have satellite TV.

How often does your satellite go down or get affected by the weather?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Gino on Mar 15, 2009, 05:33:08 PM
You know what?
I live in Florida, the thunderstorm cap of the world, and my sat tv goes down very rarely.
I can count on one hand the number of times I lost signal in the last few years.
When it goes out, it's back as soon as the sky clears, unlike cable.
When I had cable, if it went out, it was time to get out the Monopoly board.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Kedrix on Mar 15, 2009, 05:51:05 PM
We have Dish Network here...bad thunderstorms really effect it, but honestly the last time we had an outage (not counting Ike because that was something else all together) was like 9 months ago.  But there was period before that where it seemed to go down everytime the sky got a little cloudy.  It's gotten a lot better.  Now I just wish the cost would stop rising every six months, that's my big beef.  I want to keep my hd channels obviously, but they aren't being fair about pricing.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on Mar 16, 2009, 07:57:19 AM
That's why I have satellite TV.

How often does your satellite go down or get affected by the weather?

Rarely. We had a blizzard a few years back and it was knocked out for 2 days but only because my dish is on the roof and I couldn't get up there to knock off the snow. The main problem seems to happen when the dish is knocked off its position after lots of wind, but I haven't had a problem with that in almost a year.

As with anything, it seems like when you get someone who knows what he's doing out to your house to do work, the problems go away.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on May 06, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
As you all probably know by now, I replaced the faulty receiver with this model.

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5028042&CTID=5000300

I am liking it but there are a few things that I miss about my old one, specifically a test tone and a music feature that spread the sound around the front and rear speakers evenly. The new one doesn't have a test tone feature and the music features are all based on "halls" or "theater" arrangements meaning that most comes from the fronts, a little from the rears, with some reverb.

Still learning about it though so maybe I will still be able to do those things.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on May 06, 2009, 03:52:29 PM
As you all probably know by now, I replaced the faulty receiver with this model.

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5028042&CTID=5000300

I am liking it but there are a few things that I miss about my old one, specifically a test tone and a music feature that spread the sound around the front and rear speakers evenly. The new one doesn't have a test tone feature and the music features are all based on "halls" or "theater" arrangements meaning that most comes from the fronts, a little from the rears, with some reverb.

Still learning about it though so maybe I will still be able to do those things.

Yes, it does actually have all those functions, you just gotta spend more time with it. The is a 7 channel music enhancer that works in 5.1 and I think thats what you're looking for, for the tunes. and there is a test noise, you just gotta dig my friend, dig and dig hard!!! lol


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on May 07, 2009, 06:33:35 AM
Bah!

I moved my center channel. It was behind my TV, Used to be on top, but you can't stack a center channel on a flatpanel, so I didn't have anywhere to put it. It ended up behind the TV, kind of dangling a little on the edge of my stand. Now I have moved it to the floor of the stand. Not dangling, not behind a solid object, thus blocking the soundwaves. But...because it's so low, it's obvious where the sound is coming from. It's all...low. Bollocks.

(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r301/beckmen/IMG_0384.jpg)

I guess I could try swapping the receiver with the center channel.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on May 07, 2009, 08:50:53 AM
Becks, swap the center channel out with what you have on the top shelf. No need for the CC to be that far away from the TV.

MF - I did a little reading last night and it looks like I've got to hook up the receiver to the TV and do all that stuff that way. My relic of a TV doesn't have an HDMI input, so is there anyway to hook the receiver to the TV to access those features? I hooked up a friend's receiver and it looked like HDMI was the only way to hook the receiver up to the TV but I can't remember.

If I can hook it up to the TV I will do that when I install the 7.1 speakers. I am not getting behind that clusterf-ck again for at least a few weeks.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on May 07, 2009, 02:21:22 PM
MF - I did a little reading last night and it looks like I've got to hook up the receiver to the TV and do all that stuff that way. My relic of a TV doesn't have an HDMI input, so is there anyway to hook the receiver to the TV to access those features? I hooked up a friend's receiver and it looked like HDMI was the only way to hook the receiver up to the TV but I can't remember.

Hooking it up to the TV without the use of HDMI is pretty much useless. Looking at the image of your receiver...

http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/adgraphs/products/rx-v565bl_front.jpg (http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/adgraphs/products/rx-v565bl_front.jpg)

... the remote has a button for music Enhancer/Stereo. My remote/receiver has the same function. There is a Straight button below it, that's what I use all of the time, except for music. Straight is like Pure Direct, except the receiver uses its own decoders. Pure Direct is a 100% passthrough of the incoming signal. I like the receiver to do the decoding, so I use the Straight function.

List the components you have hooked up to the receiver and what type of connection they use... I think we can get you running 100% with more info.



Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on May 07, 2009, 03:03:05 PM
I have the DirecTV HD-DVR receiver hooked into it with an optical cable and a Pro-scan DVD player with an optical cable. That's it. Speakers all connected with standard copper wire, the sub connected with a Monster THX cable.

I was mainly talking about lowering/raising the volume on the CC and surround speakers when talking about the functions, etc.... but any advice to can share would be great MF!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on May 07, 2009, 03:09:45 PM
I have the DirecTV HD-DVR receiver hooked into it with an optical cable and a Pro-scan DVD player with an optical cable. That's it. Speakers all connected with standard copper wire, the sub connected with a Monster THX cable.

I was mainly talking about lowering/raising the volume on the CC and surround speakers when talking about the functions, etc.... but any advice to can share would be great MF!

Ok, so you want to access the advanced setup functions... got-cha. Yes, it easier with the receiver hooked up to the TV, looking at the back panel of your receiver...

http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/adgraphs/products/rx-v565bl_back.jpg (http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/adgraphs/products/rx-v565bl_back.jpg)

... I see a component or standard yellow video out in the middle. Your TV should have an AUX video input. Once you have the receiver with video out to the TV, go to the menu section of your manual and start from there. I don't know if your onscreen menu will be the same as mine, if it is I can be more helpful, if not your manual should be detailed enough to at least dial in your speaker settings.



Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on May 07, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
Does that HD-DVR have HDMI out? If so, once you get an HDMI capable TV, you are going to be one happy camper.  ;)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on May 08, 2009, 07:44:50 AM
I have the DirecTV HD-DVR receiver hooked into it with an optical cable and a Pro-scan DVD player with an optical cable. That's it. Speakers all connected with standard copper wire, the sub connected with a Monster THX cable.

I was mainly talking about lowering/raising the volume on the CC and surround speakers when talking about the functions, etc.... but any advice to can share would be great MF!

Ok, so you want to access the advanced setup functions... got-cha. Yes, it easier with the receiver hooked up to the TV, looking at the back panel of your receiver...

http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/adgraphs/products/rx-v565bl_back.jpg (http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/adgraphs/products/rx-v565bl_back.jpg)

... I see a component or standard yellow video out in the middle. Your TV should have an AUX video input. Once you have the receiver with video out to the TV, go to the menu section of your manual and start from there. I don't know if your onscreen menu will be the same as mine, if it is I can be more helpful, if not your manual should be detailed enough to at least dial in your speaker settings.



Thnaks Freak. Yeah I am going to hook the receiver up to the TV when I install 7.1. I'll have a friend there to help and he knows this kind of stuff in and out, but I still wish you'd be there to help old buddy!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Mirage52 on May 08, 2009, 07:46:01 AM
Does that HD-DVR have HDMI out? If so, once you get an HDMI capable TV, you are going to be one happy camper.  ;)

Oh yeah... but I am a ways off from upgrading my basement TV. I think we are a few months away from upgrading the bedroom TV to a wall-mounted flatscreen. Then we'll get another HD-DVR receiver and use the HDMI there.

It is exciting being back in the electronics game again!!!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on May 08, 2009, 02:43:35 PM
, but I still wish you'd be there to help old buddy!

Me too, nothing better than a couple of friends, a couple of beers and some kick-ass electronics to set up on a nice weekend!!  8)


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Jun 26, 2009, 06:31:02 PM
I think my receiver is going bad. It keeps cutting out, and the display flashes 'OVERLOAD'. I haven't recently added anything new to it or anything. Maybe it's just dying of old age (probably 6 or 7 years old)?


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Jun 26, 2009, 08:57:30 PM
I think my receiver is going bad. It keeps cutting out, and the display flashes 'OVERLOAD'. I haven't recently added anything new to it or anything. Maybe it's just dying of old age (probably 6 or 7 years old)?

Yep, sounds like the amplifier in the receiver has shit the bed my friend. Upgrade time!


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Jun 26, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
Upgrade Shmupgrade, I was looking at this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9245523&type=product&id=1218066769427


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Movie Freak on Jun 29, 2009, 02:09:33 PM
Upgrade Shmupgrade, I was looking at this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9245523&type=product&id=1218066769427

For $200 more you could get a nextgen receiver.


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Kedrix on Jun 29, 2009, 02:46:05 PM
I agree with Freaker, I spent $410 and got an awesome receiver that is the next step up from this and the same brand.  It's certainly good to have a price range, but don't spread yourself too thin when it comes to the receiver. 


Title: Re: HT issues....
Post by: Beckmen on Jun 29, 2009, 04:18:20 PM
Blasted thing went off sale. It was 150. '200 dollars more' than 150 isn't really small potatoes, chief. If I used my surround sound more than once a month, it might be a good deal, but truthfully, I rarely use it. Plus, I am not audiophile.

We'll see. I might just impulse-buy a new one next time I get to Best Buy. Who knows when that'll be, though. Maybe me and my friends will go out to Erie to see Public Enemies or some other upcoming movie.

What should I be looking for for the HDMI, though? I want it to pass-through the audio to the TV when the receiver is off, so I can use the TV's speakers (which I do 95% of the time). Right now I have the PS3 connected via optical, and every time I turn on the surround sound, I have to go into the PS3's settings and switch the audio output from HDMI to Optical, which is a middling bastard. Being free of that would be nice.