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Title: LOST
Post by: zenje on Feb 08, 2007, 04:20:59 PM
I had forgotten what a cool show this is. After the long break, I actually got confused into thinking that other shows were better, but I learnt my lesson real quick after watching the 'first' episode yesterday.

One of the things I noticed (in the re-cap show) that I hadn't before was that the guy in the hatch with Desmond (Clancy Brown) before, was the same guy in the Army with Saeed! I haven't gone back to season 1 & 2, I think I should. I also liked the way the show opened up some more yesterday, revealing something about one of the 'others'.

Looking forward to the next 15 weeks. 8)


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Justin Cleveland on Feb 08, 2007, 07:34:05 PM
They need to kick things into overdrive the rest of this season and bring it to a conclusion next year.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 09, 2007, 01:01:33 AM
Yeah, the show seems to be dragging. I didn't even like last night's episode that much. It was OK, but nothing awesome. Still feels like filler or something to me. I also want to get back to the main island and the main cast.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on Feb 16, 2007, 01:21:31 PM
I just love this show. I don't mind if it goes on like this for another 3 seasons, although I doubt it'll survive one more, mainly due to logistics, and the fact that people get bored too easily.

*SPOLIER*
So Desmond goes back in time and gets a chance to make it different, but ends up in the same place. I realize it's still a flashback in a way, but dang.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 16, 2007, 02:59:41 PM
Last night's episode was better, IMO. I like the characters they were focusing on more, and I like the situations, location, ect more. I don't know why, but the whole Others Island and the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle really does not interest me. Maybe because we spent so much ruttin time there this season. Hopefully it's almost over and we'll get some new stuff going on.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: kevlar on Feb 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
While I agree that the show has declined a bit in quality I am taking a sit back and wait approach with it. I am still content to let the writers take us somewhere and see what they have up their sleeves.

It hasn't spiraled as out of control as the X-Files did in the last couple of seasons yet.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 17, 2007, 11:24:11 PM
*cough*Alias*cough*Same showrunner*cough*

I should have that looked at.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: kevlar on Feb 18, 2007, 01:40:25 PM
but the premise for Alias was shitte from the beginning. There really was nothing original about it. It had two options, tread old territory that other shows have already done in one form or another or go completely off the wall and try and be original. It tried the later but when you start with a tired premise to begin with it's pretty hard to change gears half way through. Lost is an fairly original idea and therefore I will allow them to make some liberties and maybe stretch things past where we/they thought it might go in the beginning. 


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 18, 2007, 04:05:09 PM
I thought there was a lot of potential in the Rambaldi stuff, that Season 4 cliffhanger was cool, ect. But it all just crapped out. It was obvious that none of the writers cared enough to do anything cool, and never had a plan. They just wanted to hurry up and wrap the damn thing up.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on Feb 18, 2007, 05:13:11 PM
Alias failed because ABC fooled around with it too much. Season 4 was a "reboot" which tried to gain more viewers by becoming a procedural and it resulted in the show's worst season by far. It ended with an awesome cliffhanger that was fumbled for most of season 5 before the show ended with a slighty better note. But all in all, the show produced 2 of TV's finest seasons of all time before slowly unraveling into a parady of itself.

And that is what's happening to Lost, IMO.

Shows don't need to have original premises. Lost's premise has been done a million times before as well. Lord of the Flies, Cast Away, etc... It's the writing, the acting and the structure of the show that makes a show good.

Lost is wearing thin because they aren't advancing the storylines efficiently enough. They've got too much going on and too many characters to deal with. I'm still very intrigued in the show and it still is one of my faves, but they need to start moving things along. And I agree, one more season for this show would be just about perfect.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Feb 18, 2007, 11:38:04 PM
Well said (+). I think one (or two, but that is stretching it) more seasons of Lost would be good as well. They need to pick up the pace, whatever happens.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Mar 01, 2007, 10:40:21 AM
Well, last night's episode was pretty good. More fluff, but at least it was entertaining this time.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on Mar 01, 2007, 11:33:58 AM
Definitely entertaining, but I didn't understand why the ads kept going on and on about.. you don't want to miss this one.

Hey Beckmen, do you think you have something in common with hurley (minus the lottery/bad luck)? For some reason I think of you when I see him. You know, like you just go with the flow and don't give a rat's ass what happens, kinda guy. :)


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Mar 01, 2007, 03:05:38 PM
Sometimes I still am, sometimes I am not even human.

I did love the quote: "Let's look death in the face and say: "Whatever, dude."!"


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on Mar 02, 2007, 08:27:07 AM
It was a well-written and fun episode, even though it brought nothing to the overall arc of the storyline.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: darthmaulclone on Mar 04, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
Which is the current problem the show has with itself. It needs to start answering questions and dealing with the issues that people who watch the show want answered instead of taking these side tangents and just creating different types of fillers.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on Mar 29, 2007, 09:40:21 AM
I just knew they'd go off on a totally different story yesterday, some of those filler episodes I guess, but still I enjoyed it. I liked the way they played it and the ending was the best. It reminded me of some of the stories from Tales from the Crypt.  8)


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Mar 29, 2007, 02:42:09 PM
SPOILERS, dumbasses!

Pretty cool episode. I wonder if that's the last of Nikki and Paulo. They were fucking weird, I mean they have been in the cast for a while, but as bit players. They get one episode and then they are (seemingly) dead? WTF?


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on Mar 29, 2007, 03:10:49 PM
Becks, it's "Let's look death in the face and say, whatever dude."

Anyway, I enjoyed last night's Lost but I can't help but feel that the writers have gone down a meaningless path again!

Season 2 was greatly about the tailies -- and most of them are dead and the other ones that are alive are Bernard and Cindy?

Eko was needlessly killed.

And now Nikki and Paolo are seemingly dead after bring nothing to the show whatsoever. Yeah, seeing them in the flashbacks was kinda cool, but other than that they are another useless time waster on a show that is wasting too much time.

Now I could be totally wrong. N&P could come back and serve a bigger purpose. But based on the mistakes the writers made with season 2, I wouldn't be surprised if they've gone and done it again.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on Apr 07, 2007, 10:27:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_NQe57C-k


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 08, 2007, 09:31:33 PM
So it's official... 3 more seasons to go. I'm actually surprised. I didn't think it would be more than one. In any case, they're planning to do 16 episodes per season without breaks. I guess that works... I'll watch.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Justin Cleveland on May 09, 2007, 07:30:37 AM
It's two season's worth of episodes, 48, spread over three years.  Sixteen per season, no break.  I think this is the best move, honestly.  I'm glad they are ending it, and the writers are starting to wrap things up and move the story forward nicely.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 09, 2007, 11:57:53 AM
Nothing to complain about here. I like the news and I think it will benefit the writers to aim towards an end date.

So the filler episodes should be few and far between from here on out!


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on May 09, 2007, 12:14:57 PM
I thought I already replied to this, hmmm.

Yeah, I like this move. Hopefully 16 episodes per season means a faster pace, less filler. And since it's only 48 more episodes, the end is finally near and it's not 'the marathon where they keep moving the finish line' anymore. Maybe this will allow the writers to start planning out better, and inject some JMS-style arc writing. The show is still good, but maybe this move will allow it to return to it's 'brilliant' status like in the first season. Maybe not. But hopefully it will be approaching it.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 09, 2007, 03:19:20 PM
IMO, the last 2-3 episodes have been excellent. On par with any of the better episodes from at least season 2...


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 11, 2007, 09:54:23 AM
Do I still need to say SPOILER on this thread?...

Anyways, wednesday's episode was too cool! Thats what I'm talking about, you have one or two episodes to go, it's just heating up to the point where it's about to explode! Now I don't think they can kill off Locke at this point, so I think he'll survive the season. Jack and Kate are just pissing me off nowadays. Someone needs to kick their asses like the way Locke punched the lights out of that one-eyed guy. ;D


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 11, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
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Survival of 'Lost' character in doubt

LOS ANGELES - The survival of a major "Lost" character was left in doubt this week in an episode that shot adrenaline into the plot of the ABC series but failed to give it a needed ratings boost.

The Wednesday episode in which Locke (Terry O'Quinn) was shot, perhaps fatally, by Ben (Michael Emerson), the leader of "the Others," drew 12.1 million viewers. That's about the same sized audience the show has been attracting in recent weeks.

Given Locke's importance to the show, the odds seem to be in his favor. But the producers have never been queasy about killing off characters who survived the crash but not the show's complex plot twists.

ABC's recent announcement that the show will conclude in the 2009-10 season also might have fans wondering if Locke's shooting is a shocking early start to the show's ultimate resolution.



Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on May 11, 2007, 11:13:24 AM
Well, since he is pretty much my favorite character, I would be pissed. Kill off Kate and Jack instead, dammit. Boring bitches.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 11, 2007, 12:36:54 PM
Yeah, it was an excellent episode. The best one I can remember in a long time.

I think Locke is safe, since his story line is still not complete, but I felt the same way about Eko and he's dead. So you never know with this show.

And I've also heard that 5 characters are going to die by this season's end, so it sounds like Locke could be a goner, based on that.

But I do believe that Charlie is definitely going to die by seasons end (OK with me, he's annoying) and I wouldn't place bets on Sawyer, Jin or Juliette making it past the end of this season either.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 11, 2007, 01:21:07 PM
Woah... Sawyer?... my wife would stop watching the show for sure!


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Justin Cleveland on May 11, 2007, 04:24:25 PM
Woah... Sawyer?... my wife would stop watching the show for sure!
Me too.

As it is, I'm scared for Locke.  But I'm really excited for this all to wrap up.  So many neat new balls in the air!


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on May 11, 2007, 10:51:08 PM
Incomplete story and killed off = Libby. What the fuck happened there?


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 14, 2007, 08:34:28 AM
I thought Eko was killed off before his story was completed too, but they were always secondary characters so I'll just chalk their premature deaths up to that.

As for Locke, I think he is OK. I think the island will heal him again, he'll kill Ben and take over the others. His story is far from over.

I think Sawyer is a goner, as his story has been completed. Wouldn't be surprised to see Charlie, Kate, Juliette, or Jin die either.

I've heard that 5 characters will die by season's end.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 16, 2007, 10:11:59 PM
Niiice... I cant wait for the 2 hour finale next week! 8)

Quetion: Did Naomi ever explain why she had that picture of Desmond and Penny in her book? Did I miss that part???


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 17, 2007, 07:14:08 AM
I don't remember, although I thought it was pretty clear that Penny was rich and paid for the rescue mission, which Naomi was a part of.

Another good episode last night, I was really starting to feel bad for Charlie, a character who I never have really liked. I kinda wish they would have sent him to his inevitable death last night, but I think he will still die the way Desmond said, just in a different way than we originally thought.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on May 17, 2007, 05:38:19 PM
At first, I thought he was going to die. But then they were going in that direction so obviously, that I decided that it probably wouldn't happen. Still could, though like Mirage says. It would be kind of sad, but his story is more or less complete and stuff, and he has had plenty of time in the sun (unlike Libby, Nikki/Paulo and Ecko!).


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 17, 2007, 05:49:54 PM
I liked how they made everyone care for Charlie with one episode... most wouldn't give 2 cents if he died before yesterday, infact I think there was a poll online on who's gonna die and Charlie got the most votes.



Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on May 24, 2007, 05:21:20 AM
The finale was a doozy. Kind of predictable (I knew Locke would show up and kill Naomi, and I figured out Jack's story was a flashforward (his phone was a big clue for that), but it was still cool. Maybe questions, though.

1: WAS it a flash-forward? Was it a dream or maybe one of Desmond's flashes? (nothing indicates that) Can the events that we saw be avoided?

2: Will this format be followed up in the next seasons? (I hope not, other than in a few cases...because it takes away too much suspense from the island. We now know that Jack and Kate make it off the island alive, 'no one is safe' no longer applies)

3: Will the show eventually take a direction where Jack returns? Maybe Seasons 4, 5 and 6 will be about his return instead of the continued adventures of the current cast (this would mean a mostly new cast, and I don't really like the idea)

4: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

All-in-all, I found this finale to eclipse the Heroes one. The bulk of Heroes: Season One was better than Season Three of Lost, IMO...but it kind of fell apart in the anticlimactic finale. Lost managed to bring out a damned good finale with a real thought-provoking cliffhanger.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Justin Cleveland on May 24, 2007, 05:26:04 AM
Maybe Jack's story was set in the present-day, and his island experiences were the flashback...


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 24, 2007, 07:55:35 AM
I think people are making too much out of it, as always. I think this won't be the norm, I just think we got a glimpse of life after the island. We still don't know who's funeral it was (probably Locke's) but other than that, I think we'll be back on the island next year and see how things play out, which will be different than we are made to expect in the finale.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: zenje on May 24, 2007, 09:11:24 AM
Loved it! ;D

I think the finale redeemed the whole season, just perfect. I didn't figure out it was a flash-forward, until the airport scene, so I guess I enjoyed it even more. The only thing I had wanted to happen, but I know couldn't, was Jack shouldve picked up the rock, the walkie talkie was laying on, and smashed Ben's head in... that would have been cool.

And now to Beckmen's iportant questions;

1. (a) I think it WAS a flash forward. (b) Yes, the events can be avoided... I think. Although, I don't know why they would do that.

2. They might follow bits of it, but I think they wouldn't want to delve too much into it, for the reason you mentioned.

3. I doubt it, I think Jack learns to live with it in the end.

4. Err...


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on May 24, 2007, 10:20:37 AM
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be better if they went with a flash forward scene from now on instead of flashbacks. I've had enough of the flashback crap and I think it would be cool to see how people deal with being rescued and how they deal with life after the island and how it affects their lives.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on May 24, 2007, 04:58:14 PM
I think each survivor should get a flash-forward, but I don't think they should do it from now on. Here and there, and mostly in the final season. I hate knowing who lives and who dies.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Mirage52 on Mar 06, 2009, 10:51:17 AM
Whats everyone think of the new season so far? I think it's been really good.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Justin Cleveland on Mar 07, 2009, 10:53:08 AM
Damn fantastic is what it is. 


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Beckmen on Mar 07, 2009, 07:47:08 PM
Yep, back at the top of it's game.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: Cron on Mar 09, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
I'm waiting for Blu-Ray.  But I do want it......real bad.


Title: Re: LOST
Post by: razet93 on Dec 18, 2010, 05:35:38 AM
Lost is really outstanding series and it has multiple mysteries which keeps the interest of viewers.